Can I get a smidge of God with that non-fat mocha?
Is Starbucks now serving up religion? Starting next Spring Starbucks will be featuring quotes from best selling author of the “Purpose Driven Life”, and Pastor Rick Warren. I think they were feeling some opposition when they were featuring, “gay friendly” quotes on their cups. For example one of the quotes was, “Life is too damn short to hide being gay”, by Armistead Maupin. Starbucks also features other quotes from scientists to writers. Not only do they have quotes dealing with gay issues; Starbucks also supports the gay agenda by attending the gay pride parade that is held in San Diego, California. Starbucks also features quotes about evolution and other social issues and points of view.I think this is a pathetic attempt to reach out to the Christian “coffee drinkers”. Why won’t they actually display quotes from our founding fathers or preachers and writers like A.W. Pink, John Calvin, and Martin Luther. Better yet how about placing scripture like some establishments do ( i.e. In-N-Out, Chick-a-Fila, and Forever 21). I understand that these establishments were owned or are currently owned by Christians whose convictions were to place scripture on their products.
Some might say this is petty to even make an issue of, but I think it deserves attention, as this is a poor attempt at trying to neutralize or divert attention away from heavy issues like the gay agenda. The fact that Starbucks would use Rick Warren says a lot about them, as Rick Warren’s theology is about as strong as a Starbucks DE-CAF latte.
posted by Lordisiam @ 2:38 PM
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uh-huh! in regards to de-caf latte. I was oblivious of this. What an eye opener.
I have a better question, why the hell do you care??
Drink your crappy coffee, toss or recycle the cup and get on with life.
If you don't like them supporting the "gay agenda" (whatever that is) then don't shop there.
I think their coffee sucks and it overpriced, so I patronize other places unless I am dying for a fix and have to pop in one.
If all you religious yahoos would just stop worrying about the "gay agenda" and worry about things that actually affect peoples' lives like poverty and education, maybe we could get somewhere in this country..
Mike V, seems to be a little too sensitive and passionate about the gay subject, he has only responded to our gay referenced articles (and negatively I might add). I wonder if he might be...
Anywho, I'd rather be a religious yahoo, than a brain washed liberal yahoo.
I think it says more about Rick Warren than it does about Starbucks. Of course Starbucks will pander to everyone possible to attract their dollars. That is to be expected. The fact that PDL does not offend their liberal sensitivities speaks loudly.
I agree with with the article. I do like the Starbucks Coffee though. It figures they would use Rick Warren. He's gotten much attention since that girl read from his book to that fugitive; leading him to give himself up. This is the way I see it: They can go ahead and quote whatever they want; to me Starbucks is a mission field! I will walk into the gates of hell and continue to stir up conversations about the Messiah and by grace, snatch sinners into God's Kingdom! As for Mike V......He's a religious "yahoo" himself. The question is, does he even know what he believes? We Christian yahoos don't only worry about the gay agenda, but more importantly about what Jesus said. He commands men everywhere to repent! This includes you Mike V. Whether Gays, perverts, murderers, Buddhists, Muslims, Liberals, New Agers, idolators, whatever sin it is, are hopelessly condemned apart from Jesus! He said, "I am the way, the Truth, and the life. No one come to the Father except through me! Yes, Yes, I know, it probably repulses you to hear it; but the bible says clearly, "men exchanged the truth of God for a lie." Ignorance is not bliss! "You are without excuse." Mike V.....Where will you be? In that great and terrible day? When God calls you to punch out of this life? May God grant you repentance. May He cause you to turn to Him. This is what will affect peoples lives! There are many rich and educated in the country as it is, it has not helped thus far.
Jesus was a "liberal" transformed.
Or do you have problems with reading comprehension? You can be sure that he would not have much good to say about Herr President or the entire "conservative" base that follows him.
I have commented on the gay issues because it's a non-issue that leads the front page of the crazed religious right in order to play on the fears and the hate of dopes in this country.
If those that talk of following Jesus were really living that life, they would be worrying about those issues which I talked about. Those are the real ones.
21 For even though Mike V knew of God, he did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but Mike V became futile in his speculations, and his foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, Mive V became a fool, 23 and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures. 24 Therefore God gave Mike V over to the lusts of his heart to impurity, so that his body would be dishonored among him. 25 For Mike V exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
~ Romans 1:21-25
how do you know who I serve?
Scripture gives me a pretty good idea who you serve:
15 "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 "You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? 17 "So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 "A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. 19 "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 "So then, you will know them by their fruits. ~Matthew 7:15-20 NASB
I'm sorry that you cannot think for yourself.
That makes the baby Jesus cry.
Thank you for that compliment, I'm quite glad I don't make it a habit of “thinking” for myself like you. Left to my own understanding I'd probably still be a reprobate.
5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart And do not lean on your own understanding. 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He will make your paths straight. 7 Do not be wise in your own eyes; Fear the LORD and turn away from evil. 8 It will be healing to your body And refreshment to your bones. ~Prov. 3:5-8
0 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding. ~Prov. 9:10
And by the way, Jesus isn't a babe anymore and he isn't crying for me like your god, he's actually in prayer for his elect as we speak.
Who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us. ~Romans 8:34
I tell you what, I'll start taking organized religion and Christians in this country a lot more seriously if they stopped supporting people in office like Bush who is the antithesis of what it means to be a "Christian". If they spoke out about congress cutting funding for things that help and lift up those in society that have less than us.
I will take them seriously when they speak out against this war and against capital punishment (though to his credit, the previous Pope did both).
I will take them seriously when they shout down and make worthless people like Ralph Reed, Pat Robertson and Schuller.
It's not enough to talk about Jesus and to quote the Bible out of context.
You know who the true Christians I know are? The ones that WORK for peace and help people. Everyone involved with Salvation Army. They are doing God's work.
What are you Mike V? Are you an atheist? Agnostics? Are you a Christian?
I didn't vote for Bush. Heck, I didn't even vote at all. I didn't know everything they believed and what they promised. I must say though that I think many Christians voted for Bush because of the moral issue he stood. Kerry was much undecided. And you only had two condidate, one a President that took us to war and another a liar. Would you rather had Kerry in the office than Bush?
Many says Bush was a liar that took us to a war for no reasons and quickly made judgements. On the contrary, Kerry was also a liar as well that made a promise he knew he could not keep.
I think that so many Americans attack the character of Bush more than his work. Yes, Bush lacks at time (many time) to do his work but that gives no opportunity to attack his character. The work within the office is hard, exhausting, and frustrating. At least be joyful that he is continually caring (exaggerating) for us to keep the system going man. I'm not for Bush to let you know. There are many things I don't agree with him but voters elected him. Are you then going to attack the voters decision for voting because "you" don't agree?
I am not a Christian and I am not an atheist.
Intellectually, I cannot belong to any fundamentalist Christian organization. Nor can I be a part of the Catholic religion like the most of my family.
As for the rest of what you said, you're all over the place; but as for your last question: yes, I am most certainly attacking people for voting for Bush. The best scenario would have been Gore all this time, because he is both a moral person and an intellectual. Unlike Bush who is most certainly neither.
But you missed my point entirely.
The broad base of Christians and even Catholics (which is beyond comprehending) came out to vote for Bush. TWICE.
Even after knowing about this illegal war. Even after knowing he is a liar. And to top it off, he killed more people in the gas chamber as governor of Texas than any other gov. in history.
So yes, you bet I attack anyone that pulled the lever for Bush, especially the second time around.
Well, I ain't gonna defend Bush or anybody in the office. Personally, government itself is too overated. I don't understand how people can get so riled up with it but suit yourself.
Intellectually, if your not a Christian, what you says leads to irrationality and has no meaning whatsoever. If you cannot belong to fundamental organization, why do you speak about morals or intellects as something important in life? Without the Christian God, these things are meaningless.
I'm sorry, by the way to miss your point. I don't fully understand History and Government as much as you do so I'll keep my mouth shut in that area. :)
Are you sure you want to go on record as stating flattly that without a "Christian God" morals and intellect are meaningless?
Think hard before you answer.
Yes. :)
Without God, there are no moral absolute. If there are no absolute, you cannot adaquately say what is right or what is wrong. In your worldview, how can you make any judgement between what is right and what is not? By doing so, you are already assuming my God.
Wow.
So what you are saying is that all past and present people that have inhabited this earth in the last 10,000 or so years of "modern man" (ie, societies, tribes, etc..) have not been able to know right from wrong without a Christian God?
How do you explain the non-Christians that inhabit the entire continent of Asia?
Are you trying to tell me that those who were in the entire continent of Asia had some sort of absolute by which they judge? Tell me, by what objective standard do you judge your morals? Without the revealed scripture of the Old and the New Testament, you cannot know what is right and what is wrong. In fact, you cannot even argue or question for you assume that God is there already.
I reckon you are intelligent and are educated yet what good does it do to have these knowledge without God? Without God, you can't even produce any arguement. By arguement, you must assume that there is explanation. By explanation, you believe there are "order." Once you believe there is order, you must defy the very belief that we live in an autonomous or chance universe or Evolutionary world. If then you believe in order, and that autonomous worldview is diminished, what worldview is left?
No other worldview, other than Christian can suffice the very arguement you produce against me. Therefore, without God, everything is irrational and meaningless.
Hmm. Lot's of typo's. Hope you can understand what I'm getting at.
No, I'm sorry, I cannot.
I have no idea what you are talking about, and I don't mean that as a joke.
You also did not refute or prove in any way that a Christian God (or any God) is necessary for people to know right from wrong. The first right from wrong came about through the forming of societies and cultures that knew nothing of any God, save maybe for some rock that they prayed to for rain.
Getting back to Asia, an entire continent of people lived (and a large number of them still) without the benefit of a Christian God. How do explain this?
Hmm. ok.
I claim that without God, you cannot make any justification between right and wrong. One of the reason is that unless we have the absolute standard in which we judge, how can we know that killing or murder is wrong? Do we rely upon our subjective feelings to justify the morals? Do we rely on conventions by men through which they all agree that this is what law should be? Conventions are only within certain society of men. Other soceity has other morals which does not comport with each other (usually against each other), so how can we justify what is right and wrong? It is impossible to give an objective standard for morality unless you begin with God.
Liberalism is rampant out in the world today, yet that is what men and women will turn into without God. Without God, they cannot attack other people's "view" because they are just another "opinion." At this rate, they can't distinguish at all from "opinion" to "truth." Everything we say will become opinion and has no absolute value to it. Be consistent with Liberalism and they really can't make any judgement at all for everything is just opinions. All Liberals are not consistent in how they live. They actually pressuppose that evil exist and good exist and they can make judgement between good and evil.
Atheist like "Gordon Stein" says that "evil is something that reduces the happiness of men." But perhaps he missed the Sadist for sadist are happy to hurt other people. So, this must not be an "evil" act to sadist but purely innocent. Therefore, that definition of evil fails. We can start listing all our humanistic definition of evil and they will all fail unless we begin with God.
Men and women in Asia certainly know God. The creation itself testifies to the wonder and glory of our Creator. Just because they do not know God in a saving knowledge does not mean they are not benefitting in a natural knowledge of God. Yet, most men and women suppress the truth in unrighteousness as though God does not exist, when they know that God is there. He reveals himself to all of us. But most of the people reject it because they love darkness rather than light.
Be more specific with your questions Mike. It's a bit general and I can only give general answers to a general questions. I don't claim to know everything or anything. I'm dependant on God to provide wisdom and knowledge. So, if you see some errors, go ahead and correct me. I'll reply to it as the best as I can. :)
By the way, I sort of started this argument because you kept on talking about values and intelligence. I was hoping I didn't stray from that but maybe I did. Sorry man.
I'll concede to you though that I am still learning. I'm still a student and still attend college. Everything I shared with you has been introduction to a lot of the stuff I have been learning from various people. So, forgive me for not elaborating certain things. A lot of the things people ask questions on are somethings I haven't learned so I tend to hang my head in shame if I open my mouth.
I do stand with my defence of the Christian faith. Those are my rudimentary argument against you. :) I have been learning so many things and in a sense, I wanted to "test" my argument if it works. It does, but I'm gonna have to spend numerous times typing and I can't really do that. So, I hope you can understand where I stand as of now. If not, then I guess you win the debate for the rest because I have yet to learn more. :)
Good talking to you Mike. It's been fun. Keep asking questions ok?
I think you are confused with what I am saying.
I am most certainly NOT asking you to defend your Christian faith, nor would I ask someone to defend any faith.
I was asking you to defend your position that one cannot know morals without a Christian God.
Those were your words.
My problem also lies when anyone chooses the position that their's is the only way and that others are wrong.
Within the Christian faith (and other faiths) you find the same thing.
To me, the best way to approach the study of anything, including the faith of one's choosing is that there are no absolutes once we get past things like 2+2=4.
What do you mean? Sorry, I might really be confused. I don't fully understand what you're saying.
Mike, I hope I'm not taking anything out of context and saying everything within the scope of what you're saying here. :)
I like to consider what you said about "there are no absolutes once we get past things like 2+2=4." If this is the case, your very statement is not absolutely true and I don't have to hold to it. See, one of the problem with the assumption that there are no absolutes is that we, men and women, walk in this world as there are absolutes.
Many men and women proclaim that murder is wrong. Why? Because it is evil! Why? Becuase it destroys the family! Why? Because it is not nice! Why? Because it's too bloody! Why? Because... Truly, we can't make any distinction within the government that even the murder is wrong. But we live and abide by the assumption that murder is wrong for no apparant reasons.
If there aren't absolute, 2+2=4 isn't an absolute answer but you said it is after this math equation right? Either way though, if there are no absolute, how can we live in such way where we don't really care about anything but just live the way we want without voicing our opinion because it is not absolutely true emotions that we are experiencing?
By the way, do you think or recommend I take Biology class? I read about ID's somewhere but I don't really know what they are. You mentioned it too in my comment. Hmm. I probably should huh? I don't wanna talk blindly in that area. lol.
Anyways, thanks for commenting everyday. :) You have been a great help to me in a past few days, making me think deeper than I rarely do. lol. I enjoy it though. :D
Yes, you should most certainly take a biology class.
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